{"id":222,"date":"2017-06-30T01:13:49","date_gmt":"2017-06-30T01:13:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/?p=222"},"modified":"2017-10-05T16:23:32","modified_gmt":"2017-10-05T16:23:32","slug":"hi-phi-podcasts-mash-ups-and-covers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/2017\/06\/30\/hi-phi-podcasts-mash-ups-and-covers\/","title":{"rendered":"Hi-phi, podcasts, mash-ups, and covers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/tv-and-radio\/tvandradioblog\/2017\/jun\/29\/hi-phi-nation-barry-lam-philosophy-everyday-life\">a short review<\/a> of Hi-Phi Nation in today&#8217;s <em>Guardian<\/em>, topped by a nice picture of host Barry Lam.<\/p>\n<p>Cristyn and I were in Poughkeepsie last week to talk with Lam about cover songs. He plans to do a show about musical covers. He called us because he had read <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/job\/paper.php?item=coversongs\">the paper we wrote with Christy Mag Uidhir<\/a> and we&#8217;re local.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_230\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-230\" style=\"width: 2000px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-230\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?resize=840%2C420&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Walkway over the Hudson\" width=\"840\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?resize=300%2C150&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?resize=768%2C384&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?resize=1024%2C512&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?resize=1200%2C600&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/hudson-2.jpg?w=1680&amp;ssl=1 1680w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-230\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">While there, we also took in the Walkway over the Hudson.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I confess that I&#8217;m not really into podcasts. My sense is that they&#8217;re often unedited long takes of some guy ad-libbing in front of his computer. At least, I&#8217;ve heard enough of those to be wary of the genre. So I hadn&#8217;t listened to any episodes of <em>Hi-Phi Nation<\/em> when Lam contacted us and asked for an interview.<\/p>\n<p>I listened to the <a href=\"https:\/\/hiphination.org\/episodes\/episode-5-the-cops-of-pop\/\">episode about mash-ups<\/a> just to get a sense of what we&#8217;d agreed to. I was pleasantly surprised. It&#8217;s well structured, with material from a wide variety of sources carefully edited together. Each minute of show clearly reflects much more time interviewing, writing, and recording. It&#8217;s a professional production by somebody who understands the medium.<\/p>\n<p>Also, I learned a lot from it.<\/p>\n<p>Before, I&#8217;d never quite understood mash-ups. I got what&#8217;s going on in a broad sense, but listening to one usually made me think I&#8217;d rather just listen to the constituent tracks in succession. But there&#8217;s more technical and artistic complexity in mashing-up than I&#8217;d appeciated before.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s also a deep connection to what Cristyn, Christy, and I call <em>referential covers<\/em>. A referential cover is a performance or recording of a new but derivative song that is about the canonical version of the original song. For example, when the Meatmen cover &#8220;How soon is now?&#8221;, they change the lyrics so that it is a song about Morrissey, the guy who sang the original. Appreciating and evaluating the Meatmen&#8217;s cover requires keeping the original in mind.<\/p>\n<p>A mash-up is made with the expectation that the audience is familiar with the tracks being mashed and can recognize how elements of each thread together. It is also clearly a distinct albeit derivative work, rather than just overlapping instances of the tracks being mashed-up. And evaluating the mash-up requires keeping the originals in mind. So appreciating or evaluating a mash-up has the structure of evaluating a referential cover, except that there are many originals rather than just one.<\/p>\n<p><strong>link:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/hiphination.org\/\">the Hi-Phi Nation homepage<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There is a short review of Hi-Phi Nation in today&#8217;s Guardian, topped by a nice picture of host Barry Lam. Cristyn and I were in Poughkeepsie last week to talk with Lam about cover songs. He plans to do a show about musical covers. He called us because he had read the paper we wrote &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/2017\/06\/30\/hi-phi-podcasts-mash-ups-and-covers\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Hi-phi, podcasts, mash-ups, and covers&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[8,9],"tags":[35,16,19],"class_list":["post-222","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-et-cetera","category-philosophy","tag-covers","tag-music","tag-travel"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p7PjAo-3A","jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/222","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=222"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/222\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":231,"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/222\/revisions\/231"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=222"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=222"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fecundity.com\/nfw\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=222"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}